Comments on: VEN-GEANCE FROM THE GRAVE… http://www.heartshapedskull.com/2008/05/05/ven-geance-from-the-grave/ Comics and art in the spookycute vein, courtesy of Mr. Aaron Alexovich. Fri, 16 May 2008 20:38:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Zero http://www.heartshapedskull.com/2008/05/05/ven-geance-from-the-grave/#comment-561 Zero Wed, 07 May 2008 16:33:37 +0000 http://www.heartshapedskull.com/?p=109#comment-561 Tyler Durden is a protagonist, silleh. 8] Assholes make wonderful heroes, because the truly 'good' ones just come off as holier-than-thou. Stark and his kind are douchebags, and that's why people can identify with them. I'd much rather have lunch with Deadpool than Capt. America. And as for villains? Love 'em. Inherently. I have no idea why. But the ones that are truly scary, the ones that work perfectly as bad guys? Not the ones doing what they're doing out of greed or selfishness, but the ones that really, deep down, think that they're doing the right thing. Which is one of the reasons I DO love Stark. He was one of the few good things to come of Civil War. Tyler Durden is a protagonist, silleh. 8]

Assholes make wonderful heroes, because the truly ‘good’ ones just come off as holier-than-thou. Stark and his kind are douchebags, and that’s why people can identify with them. I’d much rather have lunch with Deadpool than Capt. America.

And as for villains? Love ‘em. Inherently. I have no idea why. But the ones that are truly scary, the ones that work perfectly as bad guys? Not the ones doing what they’re doing out of greed or selfishness, but the ones that really, deep down, think that they’re doing the right thing. Which is one of the reasons I DO love Stark. He was one of the few good things to come of Civil War.

]]> By: Relenz http://www.heartshapedskull.com/2008/05/05/ven-geance-from-the-grave/#comment-549 Relenz Tue, 06 May 2008 03:32:07 +0000 http://www.heartshapedskull.com/?p=109#comment-549 ...Honestly, didn't like Iron Man all that much. I mean, yes, I liked most everything you mentioned, but the plot also really bugs me from an ethics standpoint.(surprise surprise, Relenz is a self-righteous asshole channeling Lieberman) We're usually supposed to live vicariously through the protagonist during Marvel movies. What does it say about us when the person we're identifying with is Tony Stark, a wonderfully well portrayed asshole of the highest(lowest?) caliber? The whole "float around pointing your palm at things and making them go boom" stuff feels a bit god-complexy to me. Iron Man isn't attacked by anything that poses any danger to him until the final scenes. The villain with a higher level of common sense, that I would rather have lunch with than Mr. Stark, is killed by the local plot device. I'm sort of tired of these. I'm also a bit confused by one thing. Tony talked about converting his company to stop making weapons, then went and built the suit before doing anything else. Kinda infuriatingly egotistical, shallow and shortsighted. I guess that's in character, though. One thing I will say I loved was all the little references to the members of W's staff. Also, thanks to the Speed Racer trailer, I am now blind. …Honestly, didn’t like Iron Man all that much. I mean, yes, I liked most everything you mentioned, but the plot also really bugs me from an ethics standpoint.(surprise surprise, Relenz is a self-righteous asshole channeling Lieberman)
We’re usually supposed to live vicariously through the protagonist during Marvel movies. What does it say about us when the person we’re identifying with is Tony Stark, a wonderfully well portrayed asshole of the highest(lowest?) caliber?

The whole “float around pointing your palm at things and making them go boom” stuff feels a bit god-complexy to me. Iron Man isn’t attacked by anything that poses any danger to him until the final scenes.

The villain with a higher level of common sense, that I would rather have lunch with than Mr. Stark, is killed by the local plot device. I’m sort of tired of these.

I’m also a bit confused by one thing. Tony talked about converting his company to stop making weapons, then went and built the suit before doing anything else. Kinda infuriatingly egotistical, shallow and shortsighted. I guess that’s in character, though.

One thing I will say I loved was all the little references to the members of W’s staff. Also, thanks to the Speed Racer trailer, I am now blind.

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